tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6346409181794331060.post5970186708447624638..comments2024-03-20T12:35:12.828-04:00Comments on The Text of the Gospels: Cyprian and the Comma JohanneumJames Snapp Jrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09493891380752272603noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6346409181794331060.post-17785684390977706352023-02-02T13:28:43.541-05:002023-02-02T13:28:43.541-05:00Hi James,
You wrote: "The transposition and t...Hi James,<br />You wrote: "The transposition and the CJ go together, and the transmission-stream where the are together is a North Africa Latin transmission-stream."<br /><br />Do you have any thoughts on Origen's "Selecta in Psalmos," specifically within the commentary provided for Psalm 123 (122) where Origen allegedly writes, "And the Lord our God is three, for the three are one," which particularly contains the Greek text, "<b>οἱ γὰρ</b> τρεῖς τὸ ἕν εἰσιν."Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03466078139557295311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6346409181794331060.post-73081801630961625212020-04-05T16:51:58.181-04:002020-04-05T16:51:58.181-04:00Hi James,
By far the closest match in locale and ...Hi James,<br /><br />By far the closest match in locale and time is the:<br /><br />Treatise on Rebaptism - spirit, water, blood<br />which is even thought to have been directed towards the teachings of Cyprian. So it is far away the most important, and it contradicts your proposal. <br /><br />===========<br /><br />James Snapp<br />"transmission-stream where the are together is a North Africa Latin transmission-stream."<br /><br />Jerome is clearly not a North African transmission line, and 150 years later. <br />Plus you try, with great difficulty, to make the Prologue even later, geography and author unknown, and then landing with Victor of Capua in Italy. Still waiting for your reasons, have asked many times.) <br /><br />Eucherius was Lyon, not North African.<br />Cassiodorus was Rome, not North Africa.<br /><br />Plus you are cherry-picking, also going hundreds of years later, and leaving out other writers. <br /><br />Here is a fuller list (I am even giving you a bit you can add on the transpose side.)<br /><br />==================<br /><br />Augustine - Contra Maximinum - spirit, water, blood<br /><br />Hesychius - spirit, water, blood<br /><br />Leo to Flavium - spirit, water, blood<br /><br />Ambrose - two methods, at least<br />On the Holy Spirit - spirit, water, blood<br />On the Mysteries - water, blood spirit - also Luke commentary<br /><br />Ambrosius - water, blood, spirit<br /> <br />Codex Fuldensis - spirit, water, blood <br /><br />Cyprian De Duplici Martyrio ad Fortunatum - spirit, water, blood <br />(possibly written by Erasmus)<br /><br />Pope Eusebius - spirit, blood,water<br /><br />Facundus - spirit, water, blood<br /><br />There are others that I am not checking now, like the twelve books on the Trinity, however the above should make it clear that your theory was cherry-picking. <br /><br />Then you go into later writers, with totally different order and text, and some do not even have spirit. Why do you think the water becomes the Father in your analogy leap? Please try to give your reasoning. <br /><br />Here is the rest of your short grab-bag, after the Prologue and Eucherius, with three different orders.<br /> <br />● Cassiodorus: “water, blood, and spirit.” <br />● Etherius of Osma - 700’s (“the water and the blood and the flesh”), <br />● Contra Varimadum (“the water, the blood, and the flesh”).<br />● Priscillian (“water, flesh, and blood”).<br /><br />Anyway, you can conjecture anything, that is your right. However the African transmission line theory, of having a different order that might somehow help the leaping analogy theory of verse creation does not fit the 'facts on the ground'. Once we stop the cherry-picking. :) <br /><br />Steven Avery<br />Dutchess County, NY, USA<br />Steven Averyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18019556495973817763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6346409181794331060.post-83173479896114895802020-04-04T04:31:39.807-04:002020-04-04T04:31:39.807-04:00Steven Avery,
<< This is against the evide...Steven Avery, <br /><br /><< This is against the evidence in the same era. >><br /><br />How you imagine that I meant that the adjustment occurrec everywhere, I have no idea. It occurred in the particular Old Latin transmission-stream, where we see the CJ emerge later. As Plainly Shown via the examples I listed.<br /><br /><< All of these have our spirit-water-blood order. >><br /><br />And they're not in the same OL transmission-stream that later produced the CJ. Is it really that hard to see the connection? The transposition and the CJ go together, and the transmission-stream where the are together is a North Africa Latin transmission-stream. <br /><br />Which is why it's not in the Greek transmission-lines that weren't affected later by Latin retro-translation. The CJ originated as a Latin reading, not as a Greek reading. <br /><br /><br />James Snapp Jrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493891380752272603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6346409181794331060.post-34147543043898123652020-04-04T01:23:02.324-04:002020-04-04T01:23:02.324-04:00James Snapp
"I propose that the arrangement o...James Snapp<br />"I propose that the arrangement of the witnesses in First John 5:8 was adjusted "<br /><br />This is against the evidence in the same era.<br /> <br />Origen - Commentary on John<br />Clement Alexandria - Adumbrationes through Cassiodorus<br />Treatise on Rebaptism (3rd century) <br />Pope Eusebius (c. 309)<br /><br />All of these have our spirit-water-blood order. <br /><br />And I would suggest that your attempt to use transposition as part of your argument be retired :) .<br /> Steven Averyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18019556495973817763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6346409181794331060.post-64805288818001225812018-05-13T22:13:12.661-04:002018-05-13T22:13:12.661-04:00Very interesting and informative. Very interesting and informative. Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00310372386939711273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6346409181794331060.post-68959163835081246902016-09-26T04:05:41.610-04:002016-09-26T04:05:41.610-04:00Some comments about the above placed here:
Facebo...Some comments about the above placed here:<br /><br />Facebook - PureBible<br />https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/1097251690366719/Steven Averyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18019556495973817763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6346409181794331060.post-37086724755943594232016-08-24T12:43:07.990-04:002016-08-24T12:43:07.990-04:00Very informative, and hardly overlapping with my i...Very informative, and hardly overlapping with my in-depth discussions of several of the same sources <a href="http://whitemail.blogspot.com/search?q=comma" rel="nofollow">here.</a>The White Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06732782601569135839noreply@blogger.com